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![]() Laid back, with his mind on his slopers and his slopers on his mind. Fryberger bouldering in Catavina, Baja Norte, Mexico. Photo by Andrew Burr / AndrewBurr.com
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Filmmaker, DJ and Highballin' Hardman Chuck Fryberger Sounds Off on the Industry, Making a Living and all that Bullshit
It’s early 2008, and I’m driving down a dusty dirt road in The Middle of Nowhere, Mexico. Deathly ill from some variant of Montezuma’s Revenge, I round a bend to find Chuck Fryberger, aka Underground Chuck, and his crew of climbers pulled over on the side of the road un policía has tagged them for “speeding” in the middle of the Sonoran desert. Double bummer, the officer is giving them shit for the open cervezas they have in the car. Poor Chuck is enveloped in a fullon shake down.
Scraping together a few hundred bucks, Chuck and friends manage to extract themselves from the situation, calm and cool a prime example of one of Chuck’s defining traits: he’s a master when it comes to saving face. He has a way with words and an honest, genuine personality things I first learned while hanging with Chuck in Hueco Tanks, Texas, four years before the Mexico incident.
Born and raised in Golden, Colorado, Chuck has spent his entire 27-year life in the home of Coors beer (“I love the stuff,” says Chuck. “It flows through me like blood”). From spinning drum-n-base/electronic records as Underground Chuck, to making climbing movies, commercial film and video projects, and flicks from surveillance videos, one thing has remained consistent: his drive to climb tall, steep, new lines on boulders worldwide.
Climbing hard and filming at a professional level are each rare gifts. To maintain them both is hard. Relying on them for your primary income while staying true to yourself is even harder. While the future of the industry is uncertain, Chuck is a refreshing constant. I know that if I ever want an honest, no-bullshit answer, full of heart and spine, I can just ask Chuck.
‘Fryberger’ . . .
what are your roots? German and Eastern European.
Current occupation?
I work as a freelance cinematographer, hacking out a living by shooting movies, TV spots, and advertisements for others. I shoot climbing when I don’t have advertising work. At first, going out and filming was a rest-day activity, but as I’ve grown to love filming more and more, I have a hard time deciding whether to spend the day filming or climbing.
Schooling?
I have a music technology degree from the University of Colorado at Denver.
When did you graduate? What’s that saying you have
about surveillance video?
I graduated in December 2006, summa cum laude. We had a saying in the Music Tech department ‘Audio without video is radio; video without audio is a surveillance system.’
Sponsors?
I climb for Scarpa, Black Diamond, Cloudveil, and Kaenon Polarized. I test camera bags for Mountainsmith.
When/how did you start
climbing?
As a kid, I was always into exploring. I spent a lot of time scrambling and climbing trees and small rocks. I didn’t take the sport seriously until I was about 14 or 15. At that point, I gave up everything else in the way of athletics to focus on climbing. My early partner, Brent Luchsinger, and I were mostly into trad climbing and mountaineering, but the last 10 years or so has been all about the boulders.
Your first pair of climbing shoes were?
My bare feet.
What about the rubberized variety?
Scarpa Dominators.
When/how did you start filming?
Shortly after I started climbing, my friend Aaron Prouty started a magazine called La Merde, a local mag
we put out for free. He also did some video stuff, and I started out by
climbing in his videos and helping him with the soundtracks. I used to
DJ and produce my own music, so I was psyched to help out.
Where was La Merde distributed?
Was it photocopied at Kinko’s or something? It was basically a Kinko’s kind of thing, at least at first. We distributed it through gyms and shops in Colorado. It focused on bouldering and sport climbing. One of the first issues, circa 1998, had a big interview with Tommy Caldwell about his then-recent trip to South Africa. Funny how little things change.
![]() Chuck filming the 11th, and crux pitch of Logical Progression (VI 5.13) on El Gigante, Basaseachic National Park, Mexico. Photo by Mike Brumbaugh
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Any heroes?
I look up to quite a few people. Fred Nicole is a ‘heroic’ figure in my mind, and old people too, like John Sherman. I just saw John last weekend. He still lives the life cruising in a van, hanging out with his dog, drinking beer, developing boulders, and having fun.
What inspires you?
I love the idea of being able to climb a piece of rock that looks impossible. . . . Then you can look at what you just climbed and feel really proud of something. Unless your FA is in Moe’s Valley, in which case, famous climbers will re-climb it, up-grade it, and re-name it. True Story.
So did you sandbag the thing, or are famous people just lame?
Famous people are lame.
Life goals?
Continuous improvement. I always want to be getting better.
Favorite place to climb?
Anywhere with media coverage.
Seriously? It was like pulling teeth to get you to do this interview . . .
I can be pretty happy just about anywhere with good stone. I can get into the setting, the camaraderie, and the enthusiasm of my friends. I’m not hell-bent on milking points for my 8a.nu scorecard, so I’m usually pretty chilled out when I’m out bouldering. I love the spots everyone loves: Hueco, Fontainebleau, etc. But I can also have great days at Vedauwoo or the Black Hills, climbing on crystally granite.
When we first met, in Hueco, I was super psyched to snap some pix.
But when I asked you to climb a problem, cause it had cool light or
something, you said, ‘I don’t really want to climb that thing, but if
you want to pay me a day rate, then I’ll climb whatever you want.’ That was a major learning experience for me. When was the last
time you charged someone a day rate?
I billed a company for over $20,000 of day-rated work last year, to promote a cologne. There are gigs out there, even for climbers like me, who aren’t the best in the world. It’s a matter of how aggressively you want to whore yourself out and blemish your good name for the sake of money.
You travel around the world to climb on silly boulders. Why?
Sir, I reckon you could get punched in the face for making a statement like that around these parts.
![]() Job hazard, climbing cinematographer style. Fryberger shows off a core shot in Castle Valley, Utah. Photo by Andrew Burr / AndrewBurr.com
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You broke your ankle, correct?
Yes. I almost broke it in South Africa in 2006, but it took a fall later that year, from the top of Dark Waters [V13], in Clear Creek Canyon, Colorado, to finish the job. It took three screws and a titanium plate to get my ankle back together. I was on crutches for about four months, and now, two years later, I’m just starting to be able to run again.
Best/favorite FA?
Homestar, Black Hills, South Dakota. Definitely a
five-star boulder, in my mind.
I thought it was called Homestar Runner? And really? It’s, like, two
moves long. There was nothing cooler in Rocklands?
It’s just called Homestar. It’s just a couple moves, but they’re perfect. I also really
love my FA Skidmark (V11) in Hueco, because it’s a very difficult and
gymnastic problem, with a bit of endurance to it. Splash of Red (Put up
ground up, initially thought V7, but someone else recently was working
it and said V11) in Rocklands is another of my best problems.
You’ve hung out with many famous boulderers any cool stories?
I don’t see why stories about famous climbers would be any cooler than stories about non-celebrities. I’ve found that most professional climbers are self-centered and unnecessarily competitive, and often are not much fun to hang out with. One time, an aging professional climber told me I wasn’t ‘invited’ to go bouldering at a certain area that season. I was very disappointed . . . like when a child first discovers there really are bad people in the world.
Any cool stories from non-famous climbers? I bet you have some
good ones about The Troll?
Verona, Italy, saw a great urban-ninja session one night after we’d shown PURE at the local gym. Nalle [Hukkataival]
and Cody [Roth] (aka The Troll) and I went downtown, and Cody
started doing backflips off buildings. These girls from a wine-tasting
festival came by and were so impressed, they wanted their picture
taken with him. He must have felt like God.
How many times have you been on the cover of mags?
I have besmirched the covers of a few rags, but all the shots except one were posed. Most of the photos of me that have been printed due to the photographer, not me. I was lucky enough to climb for Keith Ladzinski’s camera, just as he was becoming well known, and so a lot of photos of me made it into the media for no reason other than how talented he is. Oh, and you too, Burr. Sorry ‘bout that.
Ha ha! You’re funny. Which one wasn’t posed?
I was on the cover of an Urban Climber mini-issue about competitions. Wade David had a
shot of me in a genuine try-hard moment at the Teva Mountain Games.
![]() Chuck Fryberger with his RED camera. Photo by Andrew Burr / AndrewBurr.com
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You’re climbing harder than ever. How?
I train three days a week with Dave Wahl, my strength coach at Athletik Spesifik here in Denver. I do core-strength and climbing-specific exercises. I climb plastic a lot and work out at the rec center quite frequently. I’m still motivated to climb hard, but it’s tricky with a mortgage and responsibilities.
How do you find time for both climbing and filming?
I don’t do as much of either as I would like . . . so I’m still working on that . . .
Tell me about the movies you’ve made.
I’m up to 12 feature-length films and dozens of shorts. Most of my films have been non-climbing related. For climbing, I helped with Friction Addiction in 2003, A
Colorado Daydream in 2004, and in 2006 I made Specimen, which was my senior project for school. Since graduating,
I’ve only done one film, PURE, which was
released this spring. I’ve contributed to Mike
Call’s films in the past, and I shot one of the
segments for Dosage V called ‘Alpine Blocs’.
How many hours of video footage do you
have in your office?
Approximately one metric shit-ton.
What’s the difference between a flick and a
movie?
I called PURE a ‘35mm climbing flick,’
because I didn’t want to use the word ‘film.’ I
was shooting on a 35mm system that uses a
35mm film frame, but the footage is captured
natively on DVCPRO HD video . . . so I wanted
to announce that the format was different,
but I didn’t want to use the word film because
I didn’t shoot the thing on 35mm film as most
people know it.
You lost me there. Aren’t most ‘films’ shot
digital these days?
No, as far as professional cinema is concerned, film is still the gold standard. I shot PURE digitally, but with a hybrid
system that matches certain aspects of 35mm
film. It’s technical to describe, but it’s not really
purely digital and it’s not film . . . . And you
have to be careful with how you use the word
‘film,’ because crusty old-schoolers will get
real mad if you don’t use it correctly.
You just got a new camera . . .
It’s called the Red, and it produces amazing images. It’s much heavier than my old rig, but I’ll get it figured out eventually. They’re shooting movies on this thing in Hollywood. So yeah, I’m psyched. It’s a very powerful tool.
Wasn’t the waiting list for that camera really long?
It took me about eight months from when I placed the
deposit to when I had a working system ready to go.
The wait isn’t as long now though, so any hack with an extra
$50,000 can go get one right away and start shooting.
![]() What about Chuck? He’s on What About Bob (V8), Terrain Boulders, Boulder, Colorado. Photo by Andrew Burr / AndrewBurr.com
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Heard you own your own record label . . .
That’s an overstatement. Sona Records is the business I set up to monetize my intellectual property assets in the music licensing industry. Boring.
Tell me about the cult classic MC Boondoggle?
Yes, he’s still around. He made such a splash with ‘Cricket Fling’ that he had to retire, but maybe he’ll come out of retirement eventually.
What about that company you started with dot-com (Ladzinski)?
Kalcify is sort of our long-term goal for working on large-scale advertising gigs. Boring.
What’s up with your Ethiopian water gig?
I volunteered to make a short video, to raise awareness and donations to help build clean water infrastructure in rural Ethiopia. Clean water is a big problem there. Ryan Broersma, the owner of Sickle and bouldering.com, runs the organization,
so that’s how I made the connection. It’s called Wine
for Water (wineforwater.org). This is some of the work I’m most proud
of. It makes all the drama in the pro-climbing scene seem so diminutive
when you go visit someplace where suffering is a day-to-day reality.
Most of us have no idea what child mortality really is . . . but I know
now . . . and it’s a very bad thing.
What about those dudes climbing out at White Rocks with the
hockey gear did that really happen? I’ve been out there several
times and haven’t seen anyone . . .
What is fiction? What is reality? Am I just stalling? Yes! Next question! You’re the one that wrote about it! your telling me you made this story up for one of your sponsors? It’s a mixture of absolute truth and a little theatrical embellishment. Go easy on me, Burr don’t act like you never use Photoshop to embellish your crappy snapshots.
Did you like the taste of your knees when you fell off of The
Thimble?
My knee actually went into my temple, giving me a mild concussion. My C3 vertebra is still a little out of whack from that. I went back a couple years later and sent the thing ropeless though, so that felt good.
You misspelled ‘Fontainebleau’ on your PURE trailer. That’s not very
professional.
A lot of people take my work more seriously than I do. One thing that’s a fact of life is that people love to pick apart works that they themselves could never create. It’s just one of the little joys of being a creative professional. One of the most important things I do on a day-to-day basis is take all the unfounded bullshit criticism and just say, ‘Thanks for the feedback.’
If you were on the McDonald’s menu, what would you be?
I would be a McChuck Burger with fries. Delightfully beefy, refreshingly cheesy, and a little salty.
Those Monday Mojo ads were pretty horrible . . . Thanks for the feedback.
I Heard you once paid a stripper to dance around a string of quickdraws
. . .
Let’s get one thing straight here, Burr: she was a go-go dancer. If you ever call Svetlana a stripper again . . . Besides, it was Cody’s idea. Mostly.
What country was that in?
Slovenia.
What else would you like to tell me?
Nothing. Leave me alone.